{"id":12896,"date":"2019-10-16T23:12:34","date_gmt":"2019-10-17T04:12:34","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/windycityparrot.com\/blog\/?p=12896"},"modified":"2019-10-16T23:12:34","modified_gmt":"2019-10-17T04:12:34","slug":"when-environmental-accidents-stress-a-pet-bird-to-the-breaking-point","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/dev.windycityparrot.com\/?p=12896","title":{"rendered":"When Environmental Accidents Stress A Pet Bird To The Breaking Point"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">A couple of weeks ago we talked about &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/dev.windycityparrot.com\/you-are-sick-with-no-conure-caregiver-now-what\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">You Are Sick With No Caique Caregiver \u2013 Now What?<span style=\"color: #000000\">&#8220;<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">In this follow-up thread we learn that &#8220;yes, it can always be worse.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Hello Catherine,<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I had written to you several weeks ago pertaining to the safety of microwaveable popcorn. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Two weeks ago, this coming Monday, I had kidney surgery and returned to my apartment door being busted into (door locks forcibly opened).\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"1140\" height=\"642\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/LZ9uO22VAdI?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">File under &#8220;it can always get worse&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">There was a flood in my kitchen and living room carpet caused by the tenant above&#8217;s boiler bursting. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Seymour&#8217;s cage is right inside the door and I feel that she was traumatized by the entire ordeal.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">She seemed to be different&#8230;hyperactive, restless and not coming on my finger right away as if she was petrified of me. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">She was very quiet over the next few days and could not sleep&#8230;very restless in her cage.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I cuddled with her as much as possible to assure her that everything was OK and I felt that she was responding, but on Saturday morning at 12:30 AM, we were both sleeping and she let out this very shrill LOUD screech. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I immediately checked on her and she was lying on her stomach on the right rear side of her cage (her usual sleeping position), but when I called to her for about a full minute&#8230;she did not respond and just laid there, motionless.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I became hysterical, thinking she had died and gone upstairs to my neighbor to ask him to come down and by the time we returned to my bedroom, she had her cute little face up against her cage door. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">She was up on her feet and I just picked her up and cuddled her. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I took her to my avian vet the next day and he said that she looked great.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">She had been playing&#8230;climbing all over her jungle gym and playing with her foot toys, but I still wanted this looked into. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">She does get frightened when we go to the vet so he just did a visual checkup&#8230;checked her chest, wings, etc, but we could not get her on the scale. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Bottom line&#8230;he feels that according to my description of how things happened&#8230;she had a stress seizure.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">It could be a one-off and then I asked him for the worst-case scenario and he said &#8220;a tumor&#8221;. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">But, he right away said that he is not saying that at all. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Ever since this stressful incident occurred and the commotion that ensued with the cleanup, Seymour has been moved to my bedroom.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">The super had Stanley Steemer come out to treat the carpet and do a water extraction&#8230;tons of water.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I was very concerned about the chemicals they used and was assured they were pet-safe, but that might apply more to dogs and cats because they don&#8217;t have as sensitive respiratory systems as birds do.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I am having a district manager for Stanley Steemer to come out on Tuesday and do a check on the safety of the chemicals used. In the meantime, I just want my Seymour back to being her old happy self. <\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Do you think time will help? <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Also, making completely sure that the room&#8217;s air and carpeting are OK for her to walk on.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">The change in the environment may also be freaking her out.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">What do you think about all that I have told you?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Do you think that she can have a full recovery and will it ever be completely safe to return her to my kitchen, living room area? <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I appreciate and respect your opinion.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Thanks,<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Susan<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">P.S. Do you take Popcorn to the vet for an annual wellness checkup?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"1140\" height=\"642\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/kJmPFqGSnDo?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Hi Susan Mitch here<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">What an absolute nightmare for both you and Seymour &#8211; <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I am certain there are actions you can take against your landlord for his negligence but generally speaking &#8211; you are correct, \u201cpet-friendly\u201d is not necessarily &#8220;bird-friendly\u201d.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">There&#8217;s nothing you can really tell about what&#8217;s going on with the bird without a full blood workup which is not going to be &#8220;cheap&#8221; ($100 &#8211; $200 plus) something you might have a conversation about with Stanley Steemer.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Your vet is probably right about the seizure I would watch the bird closely. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">It is opaque to me how your vet can talk about a possible tumor without an x-ray or something that he felt during the physical exam.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Eventually she will get over it &#8211; with respect to Popcorn going to the vet annually &#8211; we&#8217;re pretty sure she does, in fact, have a tumor because we ended up going to the vet literally 12 weeks in a row &#8211; January February and March to get fluids to drain from her abdomen due to a <a href=\"https:\/\/dev.windycityparrot.com\/blog\/2018\/12\/07\/my-cockatiel-is-going-through-the-same-thing-with-asc\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">condition called Ascites.<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">She now has some small protrusion coming from her abdomen but neither the veterinarian nor I can confirm its origin.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Sharing your pain is clear we both feel that having our birds alive for one more day is a gift<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Hi Mitch,<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Thank you so much for your reply to my message.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Yes, this was indeed a nightmare.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Seymour was just so traumatized by the entire ordeal and is still having difficulty sleeping.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">When it is time for Seymour to go to sleep, she is extremely restless.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">This was not the case prior to this all happening which is why I am so concerned.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I have a great avian vet who told me to monitor her closely as he did not want her to become more frightened when he saw her a week ago this past Monday.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">My vet said that if she had another seizure we would then run some blood tests, etc.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I am sorry that I wasn&#8217;t clear in my message.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">My vet did not say that Seymour had a tumor.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I asked him what the worst-case scenario was for causing a seizure and he then said &#8220;a tumor&#8221;, but he made it perfectly clear that he was not saying that is by any means what may have caused Seymour&#8217;s seizure.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Sorry that I had given you the wrong impression.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">In the meantime, I have been spending as much quality time with Seymour as I can each day when I get home from work.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">She comes out of her cage and goes right to her jungle gym.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">She has been enjoying ripping the bark off of the tree-like fixtures as she loves to chew.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I have her cage covered with towels at night when it is time for her to go to sleep and the sides of her cage are covered with the towels when I leave for work and she is placed back in her cage.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">She has torn sections of the towels that she had never done before.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Could this be her frustration coming out as aggression with tearing into the towels?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">The District Manager for Stanley Steemer will be coming to my home to assess the safety of the carpet that was treated.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">At least that is what I was told.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I need to know that it is completely safe before I bring her back out into my kitchen\/living room area.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I know that she misses her usual play area&#8230;the kitchen counter and faucet area as she is always trying to walk towards the bedroom door leading out to the living <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">room.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"1140\" height=\"642\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/QTh770NEdzw?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">The reason I asked about Popcorn having annual visits to the vet is that I was wondering if I should take Seymour in for a checkup every year.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\"> I am so sorry to hear that Popcorn has a tumor and needs to have her abdomen drained due to Ascites.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Going to the vet 12 weeks in a row must have been very expensive.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Prior to my cockatiel Petey passing away from a heart attack, I had to take him to the vet 5 weeks in a row when he began to show signs that something wasn&#8217;t right and know how costly that can get.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I hope that Popcorn and Seymour will be with us for a long time to come.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Let&#8217;s try to keep positive thoughts and hope for the best.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">It has been a pleasure writing to you.\u00a0 I have been enjoying your weekly newsletter &#x1f60a;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Kind Regards,<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Susan<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Hi Susan<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I guess I&#8217;m surprised that there is no mention of an x-ray &#8211; the first time we brought Popcorn in for this issue an x-ray correctly indicated that her gizzard had literally shifted position due to the mass.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I can see where Stanley Steemer &#8211; could be a problem &#8211; if he gives you any sort of blowback on the &#8220;safety&#8221; of chemicals &#8211; simply request all of the MSDS sheets of all the chemicals (material safety data sheet) and reach out to <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mangopet.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Erik at Mango pet<\/a> &#8211; tell them you are a customer of ours and could you forward the MSDS sheets.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Erik has a degree in chemical engineering and makes chemicals for birds &#8211; he would be my go-to source for information here.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">We advocate an annual checkup for birds as it&#8217;s easier to stave off problems before they occur &#8211; I lost track of the total expense of Popcorn&#8217;s veterinary visits because of didn&#8217;t think it would go on for so long but it was somewhere between $2000 and $3000.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">The towel thing sounds like brooding activity &#8211; is she doing anything with the towel scraps?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Mitchr<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Hi Mitch,<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">My vet, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.brookvilleanimal.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Dr. Jeffrey Krasnoff<\/a>, did more if a visual checkup as well as feeling her chest and spreading her wings because she was just too frightened and he didn&#8217;t want to traumatize her any further.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">He said that &#8220;Seymour looks great&#8221; which made me feel good.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">She has been very playful and vocal, but when it came time to put her in her cage for bedtime, that&#8217;s when she got extremely restless.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">That had never been an issue before and she has always been a very sound sleeper.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">The night that I thought she died, she hadn&#8217;t slept for a few nights and seemed on high alert.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Her sleeping position is on her belly on the rear right side of her cage.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Those first few nights she was on the GOP right side perch, completely wide-eyed whenever I checked up on her.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Petey (my cockatiel) died while letting out a very LOUD screech and Seymour did the exact same thing.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I thought that maybe she had a bad nightmare (like a night fright) and was just soooo exhausted that she didn&#8217;t respond to my calling her and my vet said that Caiques don&#8217;t have night frights and they are light sleepers and will respond immediately when called.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">He felt that it was more likely that she had a stress seizure and it may have been a &#8216;one off&#8217; isolated incident.\u00a0 He just said to monitor her. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">As I said, her daily behavior is normal&#8230;it&#8217;s just getting her go sleep peacefully has been difficult.\u00a0<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">If I take her out of her cage and cuddle with her&#8230;she will close her eyes and sleep a little, but I don&#8217;t hear that purring snore she has when she is having a sound sleep.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">The Stanley Steemer District Manager was just here.\u00a0 He seemed to be a very nice, down-to-earth kind of guy.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">He grew up a few blocks from where I now live. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">He mentioned the MSDS sheet (thank you for mentioning that very important sheet) and asked me to call to request it.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">He said that I need to keep in mind that the chemicals are watered down by a ratio of 50:1.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"1140\" height=\"642\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/nVdGO5Go7XU?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">He said that it is safe for babies to roll around on the carpet and that after a cleaning the carpet is cleaner than it was before because there is a removal of any bacteria that had been on the carpet.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">He is going to have the carpet cleaned again and deodorized again&#8230;so two separate treatments&#8230;and then 24 hours later, I can bring Seymour back into my living room area.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">He said that in the 26 years that he has been with Stanley Steemer, this stuff is allergy-free&#8230;just like the detergent DREFT used for babies.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">\u00a0He said that he has never heard of a cat, dog or bird (parrots included) that ever died after these treatments. He could tell that I was very concerned and said that once I view the MSDS Sheet, he was absolutely sure that I will feel more confident.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Thank you so much for Eric&#8217;s information, I will be sure to e-mail to ask if it would be OK to forward the MSDS sheets for his review.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I can&#8217;t thank you enough, Mitch, for allowing me to reach out to both you and Catherine.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">You are both so very kind as to help me.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Once I get the MSDS sheets, I will forward them to Eric and will be sure to let you know what he says.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">In the meantime, I am going to keep Seymour out of the living room area until this is completely resolved.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I will forward you some pics of Dino, my first pied cockatiel (had him for 14 years) and then I got Petey (had him for 4 years) and then I got My White Bellied Caique, Seymour &#x1f60a;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">A Million Thanks,<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Susan<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">P.S.\u00a0 No, Seymour isn&#8217;t doing anything with the towel scraps&#8230;just shredding them into fine pieces of thread.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">So I\u2019ve been doing some research, Susan &#8211;\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I think Seymour <em>had a respiratory episode<\/em> &#8211; not a seizure looking at the chemicals that leaked out of your neighbor&#8217;s boiler:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">\u201cCommon feedwater contaminants that can from boiler deposits include calcium, magnesium, iron, copper, aluminum, silica, and (to a lesser extent) silt and oil.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Most deposits can be classified as one of two types &#8211; scale that crystallized directly onto tube surfaces and sludge<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\"> deposits that precipitated elsewhere and were transported to the metal surface by the flowing water.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Scale is formed by salts that have limited solubility but are not totally insoluble in the boiler water.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">These salts reach the deposit site in a soluble form and precipitate when concentrated by evaporation.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\"> The precipitates formed usually have a fairly homogeneous composition and crystal structure.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Seymour is surely traumatized. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I see she&#8217;s in good veterinary hands. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I think it would be appropriate to ask your landlord to reimburse you for veterinary fees. IMHO.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">My advice about the second carpet cleaning would be to remove Seymour from the home for 48 to 72 hours making sure fans are helping dry the chemical.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">If Seymour forages on the ground in that area I would cover it with an area rug &#8211; they may tell you Dreft is fine for babies, dogs, and cats but I would not allow this chemical near any bird based upon this list of ingredients I found topped by a warning of potential asthma and respiratory complications &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ewg.org\/guides\/cleaners\/2943-DreftUltraLiquidLaundryDetergentforBabies018months\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">you can find the complete list here.<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">MitchR<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Hi MItch,<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Thank you so much for passing this info along to me.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I really appreciate it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I am an Adaptive PE Teacher and work in a private HS so I get a prep period (a free 45-min period to do preparatory work) each day and can get the chance to get on my iPad.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\"> Some days, I have two preps.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Yesterday was the first time I am feeling better without the hacking cough I had for the past two weeks since they treated the carpet.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Despite what the District Manager said I do not trust the chemicals that they are using and at this point in time, I don&#8217;t want to hand Seymour over to a complete stranger for a few days.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\"> I do not have any family, relatives or real friends where I live.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">It will set her back and frighten her all over again to leave her with a complete stranger.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\"> I will open the windows in the living room area and air out my apartment the best I can over the next few days.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">The weather after Friday (rainy all day) is supposed to be warmer and sunny.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\"> The more these chemicals build up in my carpet, the worse it will get for Seymour to have the carpet retreated.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I also have a sensitivity to fragrances which affect me.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Also, I don&#8217;t want to be coughing anymore.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I am thinking of purchasing a small area rug to throw on top of the treated area.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I am also contemplating just having that section of carpet replaced, but the landlord already told me that this will be on my dime.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Seymour has been kept out of the room where the carpet was treated although I do realize that the air spreads throughout the apartment.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I have done the best I can to shield her from it short of removing her from the premises completely.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">While I was picking up some things in my kitchen that were soaking wet, some of the boiler water was collected in a plastic bag and it was clear.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\"> I am mentioning this because the water was not dirty and black.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I have to find out if it was the water tank OR the boiler that leaked.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\"> I thought that the tenant above said that it was the boiler, but he seemed very confused when he relayed to me what had happened.\u00a0 <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">It is difficult to understand what he says sometimes because he often has difficulty expressing himself.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"1140\" height=\"642\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/BfhlPEkNm7o?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Right now, whenever I hold and cuddle Seymour, her breathing is completely silent.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\"> I don&#8217;t detect anything abnormal with her breathing, thank God. I just want it to continue that way.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Seymour slept a little better last night, but she was not sleeping in her usual spot&#8230;at the right rear side of her cage on her belly.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">She was standing up all night on the front left side of her cage, cramped by her water cup.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I know this because that&#8217;s where she was when I turned the lights out. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">She was directly below the cup&#8230;squished in.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I don&#8217;t know why she is behaving this bizarre way in her cage.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">In the 3 years that I have had her, I never found her at the very front of her cage in the morning.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I just pray that she will come around and be herself again very soon.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I hope that she can put this whole traumatic experience behind her although I know that birds have great memories.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I will keep you posted, Mitch.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Thanks for everything,<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Susan<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">P.S.\u00a0 I do not plan on bringing her back into the living room for a few more weeks until I can get that musty smell completely gone.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">You&#8217;re very welcome, Mitch.\u00a0 I trust Dr. Krasnoff. Many people I know use him for their pets.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I took Seymour for a 20-min walk when I got home after work this afternoon.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">She is usually very friendly when children or people approach her acrylic travel carrier.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">She would even allow them to touch her beak or feet.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Today, if anyone came near her commenting how cute she was, she just climbed to the other side of her carrier.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">This is so unlike her.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">It made me feel sad that she seemed to be afraid.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">She did keep looking up at me though as I was walking and talking to her. I guess it&#8217;s going to take a lot of time for her to get over her feelings of apprehension if anyone strange comes near her.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I will keep you posted.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Thanks for the time you spent researching and gathering the info you sent to me earlier today.\u00a0 I hope that Seymour has a better night&#8217;s sleep tonight.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Have a great night!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Susan<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Keep up the socializing &#8211; she&#8217;ll come around<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">best<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Mitchr<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #000000\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I will Mitch, thanks.\u00a0<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I talk to Seymour all the time and am very tactile with her.\u00a0 I just hope that she returns back to being her happy self very soon.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I will keep in touch to let you know how she&#8217;s doing.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">We love our pets so much and when something isn&#8217;t right with them, things aren&#8217;t right with us &#x2639;&#xfe0f;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">We worry so much about them because they rely on us to take care of them and protect them.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">I have kept the same routine&#8230;her meals are always on schedule so she will feel safe and comfortable.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size: 18pt\">Be well.<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A couple of weeks ago we talked about &#8220;You Are Sick With No Caique Caregiver \u2013 Now What?&#8220; In this follow-up thread we learn that &#8220;yes, it can always be worse.&#8221; Hello Catherine, I had written to you several weeks ago pertaining to the safety of microwaveable popcorn. 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